Er... personally I am always amazed that conservatives heads don't explode from the massive cognitive dissonance.
A kid raped by her father who gets an abortion is a despicable murderer. But... we should arm more people with guns whose only real purpose is to kill another human being.
Life is sacred 'till you're born. Then you're fair game?
But... we should arm more people with guns whose only real purpose is to kill another human being.
This Pandora's box has been open for a very long time. I'm afraid that even hope will escape it should we try to close it.
The mere existence of these weapons in the population makes them a deterrent for some crimes against the elderly and disabled. Even if it isn't a deterrent for some criminals, I would rather see the scumbag criminal breaking into an old person's home die than the old person getting killed, robbed, or otherwise abused. Dead criminals don't commit additional crimes.
If guns were banned today, and all citizens were required to turn in their weapons, do you think that the criminals with guns would trot off to the police station to hand in those weapons? Sorry dude, they aren't going to turn in those weapons.
Speaking from experience living in a country where people don't go armed, it works in a little different way. Naturally, the evil criminals don't turn in their weapons.
Today, anyone can just claim he's just exercising his right to be armed right up to the point when he does something criminal with it. With a weapon ban in place, whenever a police officers finds someone with a weapon, they can take him off the streets on that charge. They don't have to wait for him to do his evil deed.
Part 1 is ridiculous: You will only disarm the law-abiding. No serious career criminal will give a shit about any weapons ban. Also, in what scenario do you envision a person walking down the street, possibly about to commit a crime, when all of the sudden the police arrest them? Contrived.
As for part 2: If you commit a felony while packing heat, you get extra felonies, even in the good ol' US of A. Non issue.
Part 3: so you're saying it's ok if the "very dedicated" are armed? You've solved nothing, removed a useful tool from the hands of those who would exercise their right to self-defense, and made sure criminals know their victims are unarmed, all in one fell swoop. Bravo.
I think your sticking point is that you believe criminals actually care about this "trouble" that they "risk" in obtaining and carrying weapons. You're a (presumably) law abiding person, so you think "oh dear I certainly wouldn't want EXTRA trouble!" Well, I hate to break it to you but that is an obvious misattribution on your part. On top of that, what about "real life experience" in the USA? There are plenty of people walking around (legally) armed as can be and amazingly people don't die during traffic accidents or parking disputes or whatever other garbage contrived examples you can come up with. 48 out of 50 states in this country allow provisions for private citizens to conceal, carry and use a firearm in well-defined circumstances and crime committed with a firearm is not really a problem except in places that outright ban firearms (see: Chicago).
This point of view of "oh just disarm everyone!" really pisses me off. Regular people defend their lives successfully and legally in this country often and you have the audacity to tell them that they are wrong for owning and/or carrying a firearm. Some people refuse to be victimized and they should be afforded the right to defend themselves in rare, legally-defined circumstances.
You will only disarm the law-abiding. No serious career criminal will give a shit about any weapons ban.
The "law abiding"/"career criminal" dichotomy is a false one. The vast majority of us fall somewhere in between. If you've ever gotten a speeding ticket, or a parking ticket, you're somewhere between. There are millions of one-time offenders who commit "crimes of opportunity", and never offend again. Many, if not most, Americans fail to be perfect, law-abiding citizens all of the time. We don't inten
1 - Yeah, ok. What you listed are civil infractions. What you're looking for are criminal ones. If you want to get technical, then let's say felons vs non-felons and call it at that. Regardless, they will not care and neither will a lot of currently law-abiding individuals.
2 - There is no straw man. There's no other way to take it. How do you purport these guns would be "taken from people days, weeks, or years" before? You're going to root out these guns with what? A registration? Shit's illegal.
Your gun loving country also has the highest homicide rates by a massive margin. Thats because everyone is walking around with a gun thinking they are a cowboy.
Over here only the criminals have guns. They tend to use them on other criminals. They don't need to use them on the law abiding citizens because they never have to worry about some gun nut with a concealed carry license when they rob a bank.
Actually its stupid to argue. Your country is the one with huge amounts of guns and bullet filled corpses per
You're an idiot. Sorry, but you sound like a goddamn hen.
Literally every single sentence you wrote here is wrong. I don't even know where to start. Where ever you got your education from, demand your money back.
Perhaps you would like some fucking citations [wikipedia.org] retard?
That list shows your country far topping the list of firearm related homicides per capita of the industrialised nations. In fact you are so good at killing each other, your stats would look more at home in the second list of shitholes with bugger all income. You are closer to Zimbabwe than you are to Australia.
So I reiterate: Violent bloody rednecks, the lot of ya. Call yourselves a civilisation? Fuck...
Haha my citations were fine. Your citation is based on a laughable premise that the factual number of gun deaths is somehow irrelevant because of "variables" such as the highway system. Guess what champ? All those "variables" cited are part of your country, and one of those "variables" is that every crazy redneck seems to think they need automatic weapons to protect themselves. Possibly they do in your country, sounds like a self-perpetuating violent problem with guns only escalating it.
Ok, you're a stupid dick. Yet again, everything you said is filled with hyperbole and misconstrued data. Did you know that it's rare than anyone but criminals and the police carry guns here? No? You didn't? Not surprising considering that you know fuck all about anything else. Far less than 1% of the population have CCW licenses.
You absolutely do not have the right to use lethal force in defence of yourself. Maybe on paper you do, but I want to watch you defend your life against an armed aggressor while
Haha, listening to your impotent redneck ravings makes myself and my collegues laugh a lot. Please keep it up. I've been offered a lot of beer if I can get you on YouTube crying "Leave mah guns alone".
We love how you continue to defend, while sidestepping around the fact that more people are dying from gunshots in your country than any other developed nation by a wide wide margin. Yet you think you can give the rest of the world advice on your obviously model laws.
And the hits keep coming. It's almost comical really, listening to you go on and on getting more and more wrong.
Here's a secret: the vast majority of unjustifiable homicides that occur in the United States are between gang members. Isn't that something? So no, I'm not going to get shot and it's not people paranoid about MAH GUNS doing the shooting, despite your disinformation. It's almost entirely an inner-city (where, ironically, guns are outright banned) cultural issue and will exist whether we ban gun
Haha are you retarded? Your firearm homicide rate is nearly ten times that of my country.
You are going to blame gang members now? Ten fucking times. Do you have that many violent criminals to skew the statistics that hard? Or perhaps, and this is my personal theory: "You are wrong, again. You are pulling numbers our your arse, again." What is it? The gangsters are killing each other at a rate comparable to genocide, or half your bloody population are inner city gangsters?
Whatever. You're a child and I'm done with this conversation. Believe what you will, it's immaterial to me. You're worthless and can't do shit anyhow. But I do gotta say that if you act like this in front of real, live people then I pity you.
Pohl's law:
Nothing is so good that somebody, somewhere, will not hate it.
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I want to see liberals' heads explode when they realize that Socialized medicine is being used to buy people guns.
LK
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A kid raped by her father who gets an abortion is a despicable murderer. But... we should arm more people with guns whose only real purpose is to kill another human being.
Life is sacred 'till you're born. Then you're fair game?
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But... we should arm more people with guns whose only real purpose is to kill another human being.
This Pandora's box has been open for a very long time. I'm afraid that even hope will escape it should we try to close it.
The mere existence of these weapons in the population makes them a deterrent for some crimes against the elderly and disabled. Even if it isn't a deterrent for some criminals, I would rather see the scumbag criminal breaking into an old person's home die than the old person getting killed, robbed, or otherwise abused. Dead criminals don't commit additional crimes.
If guns were banned t
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If guns were banned today, and all citizens were required to turn in their weapons, do you think that the criminals with guns would trot off to the police station to hand in those weapons? Sorry dude, they aren't going to turn in those weapons.
Speaking from experience living in a country where people don't go armed, it works in a little different way. Naturally, the evil criminals don't turn in their weapons.
Today, anyone can just claim he's just exercising his right to be armed right up to the point when he does something criminal with it. With a weapon ban in place, whenever a police officers finds someone with a weapon, they can take him off the streets on that charge. They don't have to wait for him to do his evil deed.
The second part is that
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As for part 2: If you commit a felony while packing heat, you get extra felonies, even in the good ol' US of A. Non issue.
Part 3: so you're saying it's ok if the "very dedicated" are armed? You've solved nothing, removed a useful tool from the hands of those who would exercise their right to self-defense, and made sure criminals know their victims are unarmed, all in one fell swoop. Bravo.
I think your sticking point is that you believe criminals actually care about this "trouble" that they "risk" in obtaining and carrying weapons. You're a (presumably) law abiding person, so you think "oh dear I certainly wouldn't want EXTRA trouble!" Well, I hate to break it to you but that is an obvious misattribution on your part. On top of that, what about "real life experience" in the USA? There are plenty of people walking around (legally) armed as can be and amazingly people don't die during traffic accidents or parking disputes or whatever other garbage contrived examples you can come up with. 48 out of 50 states in this country allow provisions for private citizens to conceal, carry and use a firearm in well-defined circumstances and crime committed with a firearm is not really a problem except in places that outright ban firearms (see: Chicago).
This point of view of "oh just disarm everyone!" really pisses me off. Regular people defend their lives successfully and legally in this country often and you have the audacity to tell them that they are wrong for owning and/or carrying a firearm. Some people refuse to be victimized and they should be afforded the right to defend themselves in rare, legally-defined circumstances.
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The "law abiding"/"career criminal" dichotomy is a false one. The vast majority of us fall somewhere in between. If you've ever gotten a speeding ticket, or a parking ticket, you're somewhere between. There are millions of one-time offenders who commit "crimes of opportunity", and never offend again. Many, if not most, Americans fail to be perfect, law-abiding citizens all of the time. We don't inten
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2 - There is no straw man. There's no other way to take it. How do you purport these guns would be "taken from people days, weeks, or years" before? You're going to root out these guns with what? A registration? Shit's illegal.
Answe
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Your gun loving country also has the highest homicide rates by a massive margin. Thats because everyone is walking around with a gun thinking they are a cowboy.
Over here only the criminals have guns. They tend to use them on other criminals. They don't need to use them on the law abiding citizens because they never have to worry about some gun nut with a concealed carry license when they rob a bank.
Actually its stupid to argue. Your country is the one with huge amounts of guns and bullet filled corpses per
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Literally every single sentence you wrote here is wrong. I don't even know where to start. Where ever you got your education from, demand your money back.
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Perhaps you would like some fucking citations [wikipedia.org] retard?
That list shows your country far topping the list of firearm related homicides per capita of the industrialised nations. In fact you are so good at killing each other, your stats would look more at home in the second list of shitholes with bugger all income. You are closer to Zimbabwe than you are to Australia.
So I reiterate: Violent bloody rednecks, the lot of ya. Call yourselves a civilisation? Fuck...
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Also, your citations are wrong just like everything else you post. They're based off of malformed data meant to prove a point.
Check this out, the FBI themselves warn against doing exactly what you're doing because it's stupid: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/about/variables_affecting_crime.html [fbi.gov]
I have the right to defend myself with lethal force; you do not, so... good for you I guess? I'm glad you cannot
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Haha my citations were fine. Your citation is based on a laughable premise that the factual number of gun deaths is somehow irrelevant because of "variables" such as the highway system. Guess what champ? All those "variables" cited are part of your country, and one of those "variables" is that every crazy redneck seems to think they need automatic weapons to protect themselves. Possibly they do in your country, sounds like a self-perpetuating violent problem with guns only escalating it.
Gun deaths per capit
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You absolutely do not have the right to use lethal force in defence of yourself. Maybe on paper you do, but I want to watch you defend your life against an armed aggressor while
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Haha, listening to your impotent redneck ravings makes myself and my collegues laugh a lot. Please keep it up. I've been offered a lot of beer if I can get you on YouTube crying "Leave mah guns alone".
We love how you continue to defend, while sidestepping around the fact that more people are dying from gunshots in your country than any other developed nation by a wide wide margin. Yet you think you can give the rest of the world advice on your obviously model laws.
So apart from your 1964 cop - the only othe
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Here's a secret: the vast majority of unjustifiable homicides that occur in the United States are between gang members. Isn't that something? So no, I'm not going to get shot and it's not people paranoid about MAH GUNS doing the shooting, despite your disinformation. It's almost entirely an inner-city (where, ironically, guns are outright banned) cultural issue and will exist whether we ban gun
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Haha are you retarded? Your firearm homicide rate is nearly ten times that of my country.
You are going to blame gang members now? Ten fucking times. Do you have that many violent criminals to skew the statistics that hard? Or perhaps, and this is my personal theory: "You are wrong, again. You are pulling numbers our your arse, again." What is it? The gangsters are killing each other at a rate comparable to genocide, or half your bloody population are inner city gangsters?
We've had some pretty shitty racist
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