Er... personally I am always amazed that conservatives heads don't explode from the massive cognitive dissonance.
A kid raped by her father who gets an abortion is a despicable murderer. But... we should arm more people with guns whose only real purpose is to kill another human being.
Life is sacred 'till you're born. Then you're fair game?
But... we should arm more people with guns whose only real purpose is to kill another human being.
This Pandora's box has been open for a very long time. I'm afraid that even hope will escape it should we try to close it.
The mere existence of these weapons in the population makes them a deterrent for some crimes against the elderly and disabled. Even if it isn't a deterrent for some criminals, I would rather see the scumbag criminal breaking into an old person's home die than the old person getting killed, robbed, or otherwise abused. Dead criminals don't commit additional crimes.
If guns were banned today, and all citizens were required to turn in their weapons, do you think that the criminals with guns would trot off to the police station to hand in those weapons? Sorry dude, they aren't going to turn in those weapons.
Speaking from experience living in a country where people don't go armed, it works in a little different way. Naturally, the evil criminals don't turn in their weapons.
Today, anyone can just claim he's just exercising his right to be armed right up to the point when he does something criminal with it. With a weapon ban in place, whenever a police officers finds someone with a weapon, they can take him off the streets on that charge. They don't have to wait for him to do his evil deed.
"Today, anyone can just claim he's just exercising his right to be armed right up to the point when he does something criminal with it. With a weapon ban in place, whenever a police officers finds someone with a weapon, they can take him off the streets on that charge. They don't have to wait for him to do his evil deed."
I agree with you, except the part noted above. Are you saying they shouldn't be able to exercise their right to own a gun because they might use it illegally at some point? So how is a gu
Throwing that nonsense aside, that wasn't even your original statement. You stated that there were no LEGAL uses. Regardless of whether you think you "need" to or not, defending yourself with a gun is legal in the vast majority of the United States. It's the entire point of encacting concealed carry laws. The citizen who has that gun out in public was given that legal right specifically for the purpose of defense.
I don't live in the States, I live in the UK, which I think you'll find is part of the conversation that was being had.
So, when you're in a society where it's incredibly hard to find a gun, legally or otherwise, you don't need a gun to defend yourself.
The point I am trying to make is that guns perpetuate themselves. When everyone else has a gun, you need one, and then the bad guys need something bigger in order to stay ahead. Handing them out like Tylenol to everyone and sundry isn't going to solve the prob
It's done pretty well to solve the problem where I'm at. I'm in the US, but I'm not in an urban center. A huge portion of gun crime in the US is perpetrated in cities (often gang or drug related violence). Quite often the worst cities are the ones with the strictest gun laws.
Outside of the cities, and in most areas with more lax concealed carry laws, crime drops off rapidly. I live out in the boonies. Virtually every single household has guns. Most have quite a bit (I'll admit that I'm an enthusiast/c
Trouble is, anecdotal evidence of one community does not a helpful statistic make - overall, the homicide rate in the States is about 5 times higher than it is here. Firearm homicide rate is somewhere in the region of 25 times higher.
Unfortunately I couldn't find any gun crime statistics to compare to knife crime here, but I would make a sizable bet that they're pretty favourable too. I know where I'd rather take my chances.
God, please let this be true. (Score:5, Funny)
I want to see liberals' heads explode when they realize that Socialized medicine is being used to buy people guns.
LK
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A kid raped by her father who gets an abortion is a despicable murderer. But... we should arm more people with guns whose only real purpose is to kill another human being.
Life is sacred 'till you're born. Then you're fair game?
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But... we should arm more people with guns whose only real purpose is to kill another human being.
This Pandora's box has been open for a very long time. I'm afraid that even hope will escape it should we try to close it.
The mere existence of these weapons in the population makes them a deterrent for some crimes against the elderly and disabled. Even if it isn't a deterrent for some criminals, I would rather see the scumbag criminal breaking into an old person's home die than the old person getting killed, robbed, or otherwise abused. Dead criminals don't commit additional crimes.
If guns were banned t
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If guns were banned today, and all citizens were required to turn in their weapons, do you think that the criminals with guns would trot off to the police station to hand in those weapons? Sorry dude, they aren't going to turn in those weapons.
Speaking from experience living in a country where people don't go armed, it works in a little different way. Naturally, the evil criminals don't turn in their weapons.
Today, anyone can just claim he's just exercising his right to be armed right up to the point when he does something criminal with it. With a weapon ban in place, whenever a police officers finds someone with a weapon, they can take him off the streets on that charge. They don't have to wait for him to do his evil deed.
The second part is that
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"Today, anyone can just claim he's just exercising his right to be armed right up to the point when he does something criminal with it. With a weapon ban in place, whenever a police officers finds someone with a weapon, they can take him off the streets on that charge. They don't have to wait for him to do his evil deed."
I agree with you, except the part noted above. Are you saying they shouldn't be able to exercise their right to own a gun because they might use it illegally at some point? So how is a gu
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Are you saying they shouldn't be able to exercise their right to own a gun because they might use it illegally at some point?
The point is that there are no legal uses if you're out in the street. What are you going to do, use it to mix your coffee?
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You don't need a gun to defend yourself.
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Throwing that nonsense aside, that wasn't even your original statement. You stated that there were no LEGAL uses. Regardless of whether you think you "need" to or not, defending yourself with a gun is legal in the vast majority of the United States. It's the entire point of encacting concealed carry laws. The citizen who has that gun out in public was given that legal right specifically for the purpose of defense.
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I don't live in the States, I live in the UK, which I think you'll find is part of the conversation that was being had.
So, when you're in a society where it's incredibly hard to find a gun, legally or otherwise, you don't need a gun to defend yourself.
The point I am trying to make is that guns perpetuate themselves. When everyone else has a gun, you need one, and then the bad guys need something bigger in order to stay ahead. Handing them out like Tylenol to everyone and sundry isn't going to solve the prob
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It's done pretty well to solve the problem where I'm at. I'm in the US, but I'm not in an urban center. A huge portion of gun crime in the US is perpetrated in cities (often gang or drug related violence). Quite often the worst cities are the ones with the strictest gun laws.
Outside of the cities, and in most areas with more lax concealed carry laws, crime drops off rapidly. I live out in the boonies. Virtually every single household has guns. Most have quite a bit (I'll admit that I'm an enthusiast/c
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Trouble is, anecdotal evidence of one community does not a helpful statistic make - overall, the homicide rate in the States is about 5 times higher than it is here. Firearm homicide rate is somewhere in the region of 25 times higher.
Unfortunately I couldn't find any gun crime statistics to compare to knife crime here, but I would make a sizable bet that they're pretty favourable too. I know where I'd rather take my chances.
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Firearm homicide rate is somewhere in the region of 25 times higher.
And that is significant because it is so much more satisfactory to be killed with a knife than a gun.