Considering I have a total of... zero Lightning cables and accessories, but a ton of standard USB-C? I would consider the 2019 iPhone line totally useless (but given by my lack of Lightning accessories, you can assume I use Android phones and thus consider all of the iPhones useless).
I've only ever seen one USB-C cable and the person who uses it finds it annoying (it's not even for an iphone but a raspberry-pi style device). I don't know why someone would have a "ton" of those cables, maybe two if they have a new iphone. Fast charge doesn't matter if you're able to actually let go of the phone and put it down, charging overnight should last all day.
I have now countered and balanced your data point, thus nullifying it.
Because you said so right? Not all phone users have the same daily schedule as you and are able to charge "overnight". Besides, why woud you not have current technology in the most expensive mobile phone "ever" if not cheap profit.
I've only ever seen one USB-C cable and the person who uses it finds it annoying (it's not even for an iphone but a raspberry-pi style device). I don't know why someone would have a "ton" of those cables, maybe two if they have a new iphone. Fast charge doesn't matter if you're able to actually let go of the phone and put it down, charging overnight should last all day.
I have now countered and balanced your data point, thus nullifying it.
My new phone came with a USB-C fast charger. I didn't shop particularly for it, but I guess that's what new phones are supposed to come with now (I paid about $350 for it, so it's a midrange device).
I absolutely LOVE the fast charging. I can charge the phone in under an hour. I'm now pissed off by my older devices that charge so slowly. This will become especially important as the phone ages and the battery capacity goes down - because at that point charging overnight is not enough to make it last all day.
I consider all people willing to pay $1000 for a new phone without fast charging to be dumb, frankly.
To be fair you can get fast(er) charging with the iPhone if you buy their (expensive) USB-C to Lightning cable and one of their (expensive) higher voltage USB-C power adapters. I have this setup at home and it works substantially faster. I haven't timed it but it gets me most if not all of a charge in less than an hour.
Honestly though my complaint about the iPhone charging is that they continue to use Lightning connectors when USB-C has eliminated any technical reason for Apple to continue to use them. U
I have a ton of USB C cables because phones (regardless of Adapter) have terrible batteries and you need them everywhere you go. Non removable battery, such a good idea to force consumers to upgrade regularly as their devices become broken and obsolete.
List of personally-owned devices that have an USB Type C port, and how many such ports they have: - Desktop PC (1) - Lenovo X1 Tablet (1) - Monitor (Samsung C34H890) (1) - Port Replicator for laptop (2) - nVME SSD external enclosure (1) - Phone (Samsung Note 9) (1) - Samsung DEX (1)
Add 5 or 6 chargers to that, that's a lot of USB type C cables needed for that.
And you missed the point of the whole article: iPhones do NOT use USB type C, contrary to what you are implying. Or maybe you got confused, I don't know.
It is worth noting that Apple has many devices with USB-C.
My MacBook Pro has *only* USB-C. Newer Apple TVs (last two or three gens) have only USB-C (in addition to HDMI and power). The new iPad Pro has only USB-C.
Apple isn’t anti-USB-C. But their existing customers are mostly longtime customers who have lots of cables and chargers, and do not want to be forced to buy new stuff.
That's one reason we are avoiding new Macbooks at work, it means buying all new adapters. Given that the existing ones are three years old maybe it's time to migrate to Linux (surprisingly, the dumbass move to standardize on Microsoft-everything-in-the-cloud at the corporate level means that we can get your corporate stuff done on Linux too).
except for Apple devices I have never seen a lightning cable. my phone, both my laptops, my generic docking station, my 2 desktop computers, chargers, power banks and hell even my fucking home server has USB-C. I have maybe 10 USB-C cables, they are cheap, fast and compatible across every newer device I own which includes ASUS, HP, Samsung, and ASrock based desktops. I keep several at my desktop, one beside bed, several at work and several in my laptop bag. not one of my devices has a lightning port, nor ha
Though the other posts make valid points, there's 1 extremely good reason iPhones should use USB-C. Because that's the only port Apple puts on MacBooks. Wouldn't it be fine to be able to connect your Apple iPhone to your Apple MacBook without needing an adapter?
I have a USB-C-to-Lightning cable. No adapter required.
In fact, I have more of those cables, than I have USB-C-to-USB-C cables. I have a bunch of USB-A-to-USB-C, but one USB-C-to-USB-C (not including my MacBook Pro power cables).
That's the point, the MacBook only has USB-C ports and ships with a USB-C-to-USB-C cable and the iPhone only has a Lightning port and ships with a Lightning-to-USB-A cable. What kind of ass-backwards nonsense is that? Apple used to pride themselves on an ecosystem of devices that worked seamlessly together and now if you buy their latest phone and laptop and you'll be supplied with an incompatible selection of ports and cables.
Its Apple's new strategy to nickel and dime [merriam-webster.com] its customers. Even if you dont buy the adapter/cable from Apple any certified cable has gone through Apple's paid program so its win-win for them.
This is how they boost their accessory/MFi program business.
I've only ever seen one USB-C cable and the person who uses it finds it annoying
Oh well clearly then your single data point proves that nobody uses USB-C despite it being on nearly every new computer and smartphone sold these days, including all the computers sold by Apple.
I don't know why someone would have a "ton" of those cables, maybe two if they have a new iphone.
Because even if you aren't trying you end up with a bunch over time. I've used iPhones for several product generations and so has my wife. I'm sure we have at least a dozen Lightning cables between us. I have 40+ USB-A/B cables, dozens of micro and mini USB cables, and probably 5 USB-C cables with more undoubtedly
Ye olde USB 1 isn't going away anytime soon, because it is cheap to implement. That makes it ideal for low-cost, low-bandwidth devices, especially input devices. And USB 2 has to stick around for another decade or so because of legacy flash drives and cameras. Consequently we will have all forms of USB for the foreseeable future.
Ye olde USB 1 isn't going away anytime soon, because it is cheap to implement.
Sadly this is undoubtedly true, at least the first bit. USB-C isn't hugely more expensive to implement but there is a large installed base of USB-A/B cables and ports out there already and that matters. I still haven't seen a printer with an USB-C port though I'm sure some exist. I've never seen a USB-C keyboard or mouse in person though again I'm sure they exist.
That makes it ideal for low-cost, low-bandwidth devices, especially input devices.
The cost argument isn't as significant as many people think. I make cables for a living so I'm more familiar than most with the costs involved
It's really not about the cables, but about the interface itself. USB2 is cooked right into the cheapest SoCs, USB1 is in cheap microcontrollers, keyboard interfaces, etc. The designs for those chips have been traded around, shared, transferred in fire sales etc. and as a result they are essentially free. The same thing will happen to the other forms of USB eventually, of course, but people will keep deploying the older forms at least up until that happens.
It's really not about the cables, but about the interface itself.
That's approximately the point I was trying to make, perhaps badly. Although to be fair the cables are part of the problem.
USB2 is cooked right into the cheapest SoCs, USB1 is in cheap microcontrollers, keyboard interfaces, etc. The designs for those chips have been traded around, shared, transferred in fire sales etc. and as a result they are essentially free.
Those are sunk costs and thus not really relevant to a cost analysis. The designs don't really cost much at this point but the components and assembly and supply chain do cost real money every time we build a machine that uses them. I'm fairly certain the main reason companies still include these legacy ports is because they fear (with some justification) that they will lose sales if
Macbooks froze with the 2015 model, anything after that time got rid of the precious Esc key, and also changed the finish from everyman brushed metal to hipster brushed metal. Also I use the Mac at work, I only have a 6 figure salary so I can't afford a Mac for home.
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Most customers want to keep the same connector, because they already have chargers and cables, and sometimes even accessories, for it.
USB-C is better in the long run, but that doesn't make it better now.
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Considering I have a total of ... zero Lightning cables and accessories, but a ton of standard USB-C? I would consider the 2019 iPhone line totally useless (but given by my lack of Lightning accessories, you can assume I use Android phones and thus consider all of the iPhones useless).
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I've only ever seen one USB-C cable and the person who uses it finds it annoying (it's not even for an iphone but a raspberry-pi style device). I don't know why someone would have a "ton" of those cables, maybe two if they have a new iphone. Fast charge doesn't matter if you're able to actually let go of the phone and put it down, charging overnight should last all day.
I have now countered and balanced your data point, thus nullifying it.
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Fast charge doesn't matter
Because you said so right? Not all phone users have the same daily schedule as you and are able to charge "overnight". Besides, why woud you not have current technology in the most expensive mobile phone "ever" if not cheap profit.
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I've only ever seen one USB-C cable and the person who uses it finds it annoying (it's not even for an iphone but a raspberry-pi style device). I don't know why someone would have a "ton" of those cables, maybe two if they have a new iphone. Fast charge doesn't matter if you're able to actually let go of the phone and put it down, charging overnight should last all day.
I have now countered and balanced your data point, thus nullifying it.
My new phone came with a USB-C fast charger. I didn't shop particularly for it, but I guess that's what new phones are supposed to come with now (I paid about $350 for it, so it's a midrange device).
I absolutely LOVE the fast charging. I can charge the phone in under an hour. I'm now pissed off by my older devices that charge so slowly. This will become especially important as the phone ages and the battery capacity goes down - because at that point charging overnight is not enough to make it last all day.
Fast charging on iPhones (Score:2)
I consider all people willing to pay $1000 for a new phone without fast charging to be dumb, frankly.
To be fair you can get fast(er) charging with the iPhone if you buy their (expensive) USB-C to Lightning cable and one of their (expensive) higher voltage USB-C power adapters. I have this setup at home and it works substantially faster. I haven't timed it but it gets me most if not all of a charge in less than an hour.
Honestly though my complaint about the iPhone charging is that they continue to use Lightning connectors when USB-C has eliminated any technical reason for Apple to continue to use them. U
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I have a ton of USB C cables because phones (regardless of Adapter) have terrible batteries and you need them everywhere you go. Non removable battery, such a good idea to force consumers to upgrade regularly as their devices become broken and obsolete.
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List of personally-owned devices that have an USB Type C port, and how many such ports they have:
- Desktop PC (1)
- Lenovo X1 Tablet (1)
- Monitor (Samsung C34H890) (1)
- Port Replicator for laptop (2)
- nVME SSD external enclosure (1)
- Phone (Samsung Note 9) (1)
- Samsung DEX (1)
Add 5 or 6 chargers to that, that's a lot of USB type C cables needed for that.
And you missed the point of the whole article: iPhones do NOT use USB type C, contrary to what you are implying. Or maybe you got confused, I don't know.
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It is worth noting that Apple has many devices with USB-C.
My MacBook Pro has *only* USB-C. Newer Apple TVs (last two or three gens) have only USB-C (in addition to HDMI and power). The new iPad Pro has only USB-C.
Apple isn’t anti-USB-C. But their existing customers are mostly longtime customers who have lots of cables and chargers, and do not want to be forced to buy new stuff.
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That's one reason we are avoiding new Macbooks at work, it means buying all new adapters. Given that the existing ones are three years old maybe it's time to migrate to Linux (surprisingly, the dumbass move to standardize on Microsoft-everything-in-the-cloud at the corporate level means that we can get your corporate stuff done on Linux too).
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Though the other posts make valid points, there's 1 extremely good reason iPhones should use USB-C. Because that's the only port Apple puts on MacBooks. Wouldn't it be fine to be able to connect your Apple iPhone to your Apple MacBook without needing an adapter?
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I have a USB-C-to-Lightning cable. No adapter required.
In fact, I have more of those cables, than I have USB-C-to-USB-C cables. I have a bunch of USB-A-to-USB-C, but one USB-C-to-USB-C (not including my MacBook Pro power cables).
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Its Apple's new strategy to nickel and dime [merriam-webster.com] its customers. Even if you dont buy the adapter/cable from Apple any certified cable has gone through Apple's paid program so its win-win for them.
This is how they boost their accessory/MFi program business.
USB-C against the world (Score:2)
I've only ever seen one USB-C cable and the person who uses it finds it annoying
Oh well clearly then your single data point proves that nobody uses USB-C despite it being on nearly every new computer and smartphone sold these days, including all the computers sold by Apple.
I don't know why someone would have a "ton" of those cables, maybe two if they have a new iphone.
Because even if you aren't trying you end up with a bunch over time. I've used iPhones for several product generations and so has my wife. I'm sure we have at least a dozen Lightning cables between us. I have 40+ USB-A/B cables, dozens of micro and mini USB cables, and probably 5 USB-C cables with more undoubtedly
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Ye olde USB 1 isn't going away anytime soon, because it is cheap to implement. That makes it ideal for low-cost, low-bandwidth devices, especially input devices. And USB 2 has to stick around for another decade or so because of legacy flash drives and cameras. Consequently we will have all forms of USB for the foreseeable future.
The agonizingly slow conversion (Score:2)
Ye olde USB 1 isn't going away anytime soon, because it is cheap to implement.
Sadly this is undoubtedly true, at least the first bit. USB-C isn't hugely more expensive to implement but there is a large installed base of USB-A/B cables and ports out there already and that matters. I still haven't seen a printer with an USB-C port though I'm sure some exist. I've never seen a USB-C keyboard or mouse in person though again I'm sure they exist.
That makes it ideal for low-cost, low-bandwidth devices, especially input devices.
The cost argument isn't as significant as many people think. I make cables for a living so I'm more familiar than most with the costs involved
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It's really not about the cables, but about the interface itself. USB2 is cooked right into the cheapest SoCs, USB1 is in cheap microcontrollers, keyboard interfaces, etc. The designs for those chips have been traded around, shared, transferred in fire sales etc. and as a result they are essentially free. The same thing will happen to the other forms of USB eventually, of course, but people will keep deploying the older forms at least up until that happens.
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It's really not about the cables, but about the interface itself.
That's approximately the point I was trying to make, perhaps badly. Although to be fair the cables are part of the problem.
USB2 is cooked right into the cheapest SoCs, USB1 is in cheap microcontrollers, keyboard interfaces, etc. The designs for those chips have been traded around, shared, transferred in fire sales etc. and as a result they are essentially free.
Those are sunk costs and thus not really relevant to a cost analysis. The designs don't really cost much at this point but the components and assembly and supply chain do cost real money every time we build a machine that uses them. I'm fairly certain the main reason companies still include these legacy ports is because they fear (with some justification) that they will lose sales if
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My single data point was made to counter the single data point of someone with the other position :-)
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Macbooks froze with the 2015 model, anything after that time got rid of the precious Esc key, and also changed the finish from everyman brushed metal to hipster brushed metal. Also I use the Mac at work, I only have a 6 figure salary so I can't afford a Mac for home.
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Is this a contest?