Indeed. Which standard do you, gentle Slashdot read, want: * Videos that people want to put up, and that people want to see; or * A curated selection of videos that are best for you, as judged by your betters
We know that oppressive governments the world round demand the second option. Which should you demand?
"To know who rules you, ask: who am I not allowed to criticize in public? Those are your rulers."
Indeed. Which standard do you, gentle Slashdot read, want: * Videos that people want to put up, and that people want to see; or * A curated selection of videos that are best for you, as judged by your betters
See, but here's the thing. Irresponsible speech that promotes violence will always lead to suppression. You 4chan jackoffs knew this a long time ago, but thought that it was more important to be edgelords and have lulz than it was to be responsible. So now, you reap the whirlwind and spoil it for every
A society that can't take edgelords in stride is pretty damn useless. Maybe the answer is to realize that humor, tasteless or otherwise, is unimportant, and let is pass.
Hitler didn't run on Genocide. Nobody ever leads with it. It starts out with angry, disaffected people who get conditioned into violence over time. See for an explanation [youtube.com] for how you go from Edge Lord to an Alt-Right rally where folks are chanting "Jews will not replace us" carrying torches. The follow up video [youtube.com] is good too.
What I'm saying is that there is a process to radicalization. Now, there's two ends to fight that. One the one end you've got YouTube demoting the Edge Lords in ranking and banning the ones that outright advocate violence (even when it's in the "Won't somebody rid me of this meddlesome priest" vein, and yes I know that quote isn't historically accurate, I can read Wikipedia too ya know). On the other hand you've got guys like Bernie Sanders and Gals like AOC pushing for jobs programs (Green New Deal), Universal access to higher education & healthcare and a general improvement in the working class' lives so that Edge Lords lose the social & economic pressures that move them along the pipeline described above.
But no society can leave Edge Lords to fester indefinitely. Eventually somebody is going to exploit their anger and frustration, organize them, give them weapons and then send them off to commit atrocities. That's because if you don't do something with them they run rampant. That's what people do when they run out of options. And at that point your choices are to either solve their problems for real (e.g. Bernie Sanders/AOC) or manufacture an enemy for them to take their frustrations out on (Jews, Mexicans, Blacks, the Dalits, Burakumin/Eta, every country's got one in their history).
Hitler didn't run on Genocide. He started out as a disgruntled part of a minority family in Austria-Hungary, one of the superpowers surrounding the oppressed German States whose bodies were used as chess pieces in intermediate war between these superpowers. He started out with a privileged vs oppressed, overclass vs underclass narrative. He started out being spoiled by his mother and having dislike for his strict father, developing a Princess Complex. He started out losing his testicle in WW1 and becoming scree
That's a lot of words to say that you like censorship. I don't.
The solution for "bad speech" is more speech. Don't like speakers that "radicalize" people? Present a more compelling argument. Should be easy: after all, you're right and they're wrong, yes? But if you insult instead of argue, and the radicals welcome people and validate them, you're going to lose.
Some social norms are bad. We need the ability to "radicalize" people away from those. And it's not your job to choose.
That's a lot of words to say that you like censorship. I don't.
If you don't like censorship, then why do you promote irresponsible behavior that will inevitably lead to censorship?
It's never failed, you know. At some point, society will say, "enough" to the edgelords and then bring down the hammer. If you want to push the envelope in violent and hateful ways, prepare to accept society's consequences. But remember, you're bringing down everyone else with you. Whether we like it or not, this is how it wor
I'm not sure I see that pattern. There are moral panics, to be sure. The waltz, pool halls, D&D, video games, really anything the kids do. That's not the same thing, though. There is certainly much historical precedent for government or religion stamping down on those who challenge their authority (which, yes, is a thing popular with edgelords), but that's not the same, really.
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I see no problem here (except with some employees who are complaining, who should probably be fired).
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Indeed. Which standard do you, gentle Slashdot read, want:
* Videos that people want to put up, and that people want to see; or
* A curated selection of videos that are best for you, as judged by your betters
We know that oppressive governments the world round demand the second option. Which should you demand?
"To know who rules you, ask: who am I not allowed to criticize in public? Those are your rulers."
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See, but here's the thing. Irresponsible speech that promotes violence will always lead to suppression. You 4chan jackoffs knew this a long time ago, but thought that it was more important to be edgelords and have lulz than it was to be responsible. So now, you reap the whirlwind and spoil it for every
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A society that can't take edgelords in stride is pretty damn useless. Maybe the answer is to realize that humor, tasteless or otherwise, is unimportant, and let is pass.
If I may Godwin this thread (Score:1)
What I'm saying is that there is a process to radicalization. Now, there's two ends to fight that. One the one end you've got YouTube demoting the Edge Lords in ranking and banning the ones that outright advocate violence (even when it's in the "Won't somebody rid me of this meddlesome priest" vein, and yes I know that quote isn't historically accurate, I can read Wikipedia too ya know). On the other hand you've got guys like Bernie Sanders and Gals like AOC pushing for jobs programs (Green New Deal), Universal access to higher education & healthcare and a general improvement in the working class' lives so that Edge Lords lose the social & economic pressures that move them along the pipeline described above.
But no society can leave Edge Lords to fester indefinitely. Eventually somebody is going to exploit their anger and frustration, organize them, give them weapons and then send them off to commit atrocities. That's because if you don't do something with them they run rampant. That's what people do when they run out of options. And at that point your choices are to either solve their problems for real (e.g. Bernie Sanders/AOC) or manufacture an enemy for them to take their frustrations out on (Jews, Mexicans, Blacks, the Dalits, Burakumin/Eta, every country's got one in their history).
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Hitler didn't run on Genocide.
He started out as a disgruntled part of a minority family in Austria-Hungary, one of the superpowers surrounding the oppressed German States whose bodies were used as chess pieces in intermediate war between these superpowers.
He started out with a privileged vs oppressed, overclass vs underclass narrative.
He started out being spoiled by his mother and having dislike for his strict father, developing a Princess Complex.
He started out losing his testicle in WW1 and becoming scree
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That's a lot of words to say that you like censorship. I don't.
The solution for "bad speech" is more speech. Don't like speakers that "radicalize" people? Present a more compelling argument. Should be easy: after all, you're right and they're wrong, yes? But if you insult instead of argue, and the radicals welcome people and validate them, you're going to lose.
Some social norms are bad. We need the ability to "radicalize" people away from those. And it's not your job to choose.
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If you don't like censorship, then why do you promote irresponsible behavior that will inevitably lead to censorship?
It's never failed, you know. At some point, society will say, "enough" to the edgelords and then bring down the hammer. If you want to push the envelope in violent and hateful ways, prepare to accept society's consequences. But remember, you're bringing down everyone else with you. Whether we like it or not, this is how it wor
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I'm not sure I see that pattern. There are moral panics, to be sure. The waltz, pool halls, D&D, video games, really anything the kids do. That's not the same thing, though. There is certainly much historical precedent for government or religion stamping down on those who challenge their authority (which, yes, is a thing popular with edgelords), but that's not the same, really.