People claim that violence has never solved anything - but a good, solid dose lead in his ear would solve all of Phelp's problems.
I note that you became so excited, so worked into a froth as you wrote this that you even dropped an entire word. I can imagine someone saying this with flushed face and breathless voice.
If you truly think that this is the answer, then why don't you take up arms and go see to it instead of making pathetic comments about it on Slashdot? Yeah, that's what I thought. Why don't you leave us alone and go back to watching American Gladiators? You don't have the intestinal fortitude for real violence.
American Gladiator? I guess you mean some stupid reality show. I've never seen it, don't want to see it. I can't imagine that there is a "reality" show worth watching, from the little I've seen and heard.
Real violence? Yeah, I guess I can cope with it. It's the idiocy AFTERWARDS that's hard to deal with. As disgusting as the Westboro people are, even the ACLU would come out in their defense after they were shot down. The NAACP and every gay rights group in America would be condemning the guy who put
As casually as you dismiss a stranger's "intestinal fortitude" - I figure you must be a decorated marine or something. I'll keep that in mind as I read your future posts, Drinky dude.
My dad was the marine, he was in ATC. He's an asshole, and I don't talk to him. I'm smart enough not to enlist to spread American imperialism for a country which doesn't appreciate it, in a world which would likely be better off without it. I'm talking about the idiocy of advocating violence when you're not willing to engage in it yourself. Only a coward does this.
Well, I won't compare where I've been and what I've done with any Marine. But, I will say that I've been in two places where I was more than happy to see the Marines come ashore, and I've been in a couple of others where I WISHED the Marines would come ashore. Walking into that church or it's offices to do away with that particular group of douchebags wouldn't even compare, for "intestinal fortitude". MY PROBLEM would be the legal ramifications, very closely followed by the media circus.
The man who kills any member of Phelps' crew has done something far worse than any member of WBC. He is a murderer.
He is for killing people based on their unpalatable opinions.
In particular, he is for killing someone who is a fairly good test of an American's freedom to express unpalatable opinions.
Someone who also fairly accurately represents a fundamentalist religious message ("God hates fags" - not "humans should hate fags") and exposes the angry roots of Abrahamic religion.
Someone who reminds us of several millennia of thinking about homosexuality, tweaked only in the past 40 years and extant in many parts of the world. An argument cannot be fought if its defenders are simply oppressed.
Someone, finally, whose messages are more complex than simple gay-bashing. I can guarantee you that every man you respect has at least one opinion which would make your blood boil, but you're happy to listen to everything else they say. Is it good to speak out against pedophilia in the Catholic church? To question the military's idolatrous respect of the US flag? To point out that Iraq was quite secular for an Arab nation while Bush was on a warmongering anti-Muslim campaign? To protest hate speech laws? Phelps has done all these things. And does his politically incorrect, courage-of-convictions straight talking have a place in modern debate? Certainly. If a mad cunt from the middle of nowhere can achieve that sort of international public recognition over such a long period, we all have something to learn from him.
Even if all you learn is that "God hates fags". Which is true. Abrahamic God as described in the OT hates fags.
And if this makes you not respect Abrahamic God because Abrahamic God sounds like a bit of a douche, well, all's the better.
What is there to lose by allowing Phelps to speak? He's not even wrong.
If people like Phelps cannot protest at military funerals any more, then America has lost and the American military's missions are yet more futile and other than in the spirit of defending America's freedom. If that's even possible.
When the fuck was it written into the constitution that some freak could come to YOUR MAMA'S FUNERAL to protest?
That's right, remove the word military in your own sentence.
"If people like Phelps cannot protest at FuckingNickName's mother's funeral any more, then America has lost"
I take it that if 30 people show up at your mother's funeral to protest her, and to declare that she is bound for hell, all very noise and obtrusive, that you'll still be cool with their right to protest?
I take it that if 30 people show up at your mother's funeral to protest her, and to declare that she is bound for hell, all very noise and obtrusive, that you'll still be cool with their right to protest?
If they were noisy then it might be a local ordinance matter. if they were obstructing my movements then it would probably be a police matter.
But if they were hanging out in a big group with placards and leaflets informing all funeral-goers that my mother was a whore and would be going to hell, so what? I can cope with the idea that some people think my mother is evil - hell, she's no saint. I can especially cope with a bunch of irrational blowhards thinking my mother is evil.
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Worthless summary (Score:4, Insightful)
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This shouldn't even be a story. Not even on idle.
Fred Phelps and his followers should be dragged out behind the barn, and put out of everyone's misery.
People claim that violence has never solved anything - but a good, solid dose lead in his ear would solve all of Phelp's problems.
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People claim that violence has never solved anything - but a good, solid dose lead in his ear would solve all of Phelp's problems.
I note that you became so excited, so worked into a froth as you wrote this that you even dropped an entire word. I can imagine someone saying this with flushed face and breathless voice.
If you truly think that this is the answer, then why don't you take up arms and go see to it instead of making pathetic comments about it on Slashdot? Yeah, that's what I thought. Why don't you leave us alone and go back to watching American Gladiators? You don't have the intestinal fortitude for real violence.
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American Gladiator? I guess you mean some stupid reality show. I've never seen it, don't want to see it. I can't imagine that there is a "reality" show worth watching, from the little I've seen and heard.
Real violence? Yeah, I guess I can cope with it. It's the idiocy AFTERWARDS that's hard to deal with. As disgusting as the Westboro people are, even the ACLU would come out in their defense after they were shot down. The NAACP and every gay rights group in America would be condemning the guy who put
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As casually as you dismiss a stranger's "intestinal fortitude" - I figure you must be a decorated marine or something. I'll keep that in mind as I read your future posts, Drinky dude.
My dad was the marine, he was in ATC. He's an asshole, and I don't talk to him. I'm smart enough not to enlist to spread American imperialism for a country which doesn't appreciate it, in a world which would likely be better off without it. I'm talking about the idiocy of advocating violence when you're not willing to engage in it yourself. Only a coward does this.
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Well, I won't compare where I've been and what I've done with any Marine. But, I will say that I've been in two places where I was more than happy to see the Marines come ashore, and I've been in a couple of others where I WISHED the Marines would come ashore. Walking into that church or it's offices to do away with that particular group of douchebags wouldn't even compare, for "intestinal fortitude". MY PROBLEM would be the legal ramifications, very closely followed by the media circus.
Call me a coward
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The man who kills any member of Phelps' crew has done something far worse than any member of WBC. He is a murderer.
He is for killing people based on their unpalatable opinions.
In particular, he is for killing someone who is a fairly good test of an American's freedom to express unpalatable opinions.
Someone who also fairly accurately represents a fundamentalist religious message ("God hates fags" - not "humans should hate fags") and exposes the angry roots of Abrahamic religion.
Someone who reminds us of several millennia of thinking about homosexuality, tweaked only in the past 40 years and extant in many parts of the world. An argument cannot be fought if its defenders are simply oppressed.
Someone, finally, whose messages are more complex than simple gay-bashing. I can guarantee you that every man you respect has at least one opinion which would make your blood boil, but you're happy to listen to everything else they say. Is it good to speak out against pedophilia in the Catholic church? To question the military's idolatrous respect of the US flag? To point out that Iraq was quite secular for an Arab nation while Bush was on a warmongering anti-Muslim campaign? To protest hate speech laws? Phelps has done all these things. And does his politically incorrect, courage-of-convictions straight talking have a place in modern debate? Certainly. If a mad cunt from the middle of nowhere can achieve that sort of international public recognition over such a long period, we all have something to learn from him.
Even if all you learn is that "God hates fags". Which is true. Abrahamic God as described in the OT hates fags.
And if this makes you not respect Abrahamic God because Abrahamic God sounds like a bit of a douche, well, all's the better.
What is there to lose by allowing Phelps to speak? He's not even wrong.
If people like Phelps cannot protest at military funerals any more, then America has lost and the American military's missions are yet more futile and other than in the spirit of defending America's freedom. If that's even possible.
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When the fuck was it written into the constitution that some freak could come to YOUR MAMA'S FUNERAL to protest?
That's right, remove the word military in your own sentence.
"If people like Phelps cannot protest at FuckingNickName's mother's funeral any more, then America has lost"
I take it that if 30 people show up at your mother's funeral to protest her, and to declare that she is bound for hell, all very noise and obtrusive, that you'll still be cool with their right to protest?
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I take it that if 30 people show up at your mother's funeral to protest her, and to declare that she is bound for hell, all very noise and obtrusive, that you'll still be cool with their right to protest?
If they were noisy then it might be a local ordinance matter. if they were obstructing my movements then it would probably be a police matter.
But if they were hanging out in a big group with placards and leaflets informing all funeral-goers that my mother was a whore and would be going to hell, so what? I can cope with the idea that some people think my mother is evil - hell, she's no saint. I can especially cope with a bunch of irrational blowhards thinking my mother is evil.
Imagine right now that every hu