Fred Phelps and his followers should be dragged out behind the barn, and put out of everyone's misery.
People claim that violence has never solved anything - but a good, solid dose lead in his ear would solve all of Phelp's problems.
And what good would that do? Isn't free speech protected in America? Or is it only agreed speech?
These morons have no followers other than their own "congregation" which are all related. Just how much more pathetic can they get?
They have no ability to spread their views, because they are so extreme, they even force people to question their own prejudices. In spite of themselves, they may actually do some good.
Raise a finger against them, and they have won. Kill them and they have won. Stop them, and you beco
Free speech is protected from government intrusion, specifically. Nothing says we the people can't get right in their faces and shut them up or shout them down.
Freedom of speech also means that you are to respect your fellow man's views, regardless of how unpopular they are, for it may be your views next that become sanctioned. Freedom of speech is far more than Government vs us. IT is a principal that every man's voice deserves a chance to be heard.
Freedom of speech also means that you are to respect your fellow man's views, regardless of how unpopular they are, for it may be your views next that become sanctioned
In fact it's exactly the opposite. Freedom of speech guarantees you the right to respect, disrespect, ignore, or anything else of someone elses views.
I think what you're getting at is that to maintain freedom of speech we must all believe in peoples rights to express their views. Respect is something else entirely.
I think you are both saying the same things and semantics are simply getting in the way. Respect can have a dual meaning in the context of the statements as in it can modify what is being said, as well as the right to say it. I believe you both were speaking to the right to say something, not about what was being said.
I used to play a game in school with a couple of classmates in which we purposely set out to obfuscate out points until the very end of the statements while leaning into a vulgar or disrespect
"Freedom of speech also means that you are to respect your fellow man's views"
NO IT FUCKING DOESN'T. Read the fucking constitution, from the goddamned Declaration of Independence all the way through the bill of rights. Freedom of speech is the GOVERNMENT being unable to silence our thoughts about the government or speaking our minds. Respect is earned, not inherently given.
And your views right now get absolutely NO respect from me with that sort of ignorance.
It's not the views you have to respect, it's his ability to have views that you need to respect. You can disagree with anything he says or believes in, you just can't stop him from believing or saying them if he isn't infringing on any of your rights when doing so.
Read the... constitution, from the... Declaration of Independence all the way through the bill of rights. Freedom of speech is the GOVERNMENT being unable to silence our thoughts about the government or speaking our minds.
Freedom of speech does means the ability to state your views (freely, without fear of punishment for holding or expressing those views).
Freedom of speech as it is implemented in the [USA's] constitution refers to the government's inability to restrict you from expressing you
Freedom of speech also means that you are to respect your fellow man's views, regardless of how unpopular they are, for it may be your views next that become sanctioned. Freedom of speech is far more than Government vs us. IT is a principal that every man's voice deserves a chance to be heard.
No. you are only supposed to unconditionally respect their right to express their views. You are free to view their views with utter contempt, and you are also free to say so. Freedom of speech works both ways.
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Worthless summary (Score:4, Insightful)
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This shouldn't even be a story. Not even on idle.
Fred Phelps and his followers should be dragged out behind the barn, and put out of everyone's misery.
People claim that violence has never solved anything - but a good, solid dose lead in his ear would solve all of Phelp's problems.
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This shouldn't even be a story. Not even on idle.
Fred Phelps and his followers should be dragged out behind the barn, and put out of everyone's misery.
People claim that violence has never solved anything - but a good, solid dose lead in his ear would solve all of Phelp's problems.
And what good would that do? Isn't free speech protected in America? Or is it only agreed speech?
These morons have no followers other than their own "congregation" which are all related. Just how much more pathetic can they get?
They have no ability to spread their views, because they are so extreme, they even force people to question their own prejudices.
In spite of themselves, they may actually do some good.
Raise a finger against them, and they have won. Kill them and they have won. Stop them, and you beco
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Free speech is protected from government intrusion, specifically. Nothing says we the people can't get right in their faces and shut them up or shout them down.
Re:Worthless summary (Score:2, Troll)
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Freedom of speech also means that you are to respect your fellow man's views, regardless of how unpopular they are, for it may be your views next that become sanctioned
In fact it's exactly the opposite. Freedom of speech guarantees you the right to respect, disrespect, ignore, or anything else of someone elses views.
I think what you're getting at is that to maintain freedom of speech we must all believe in peoples rights to express their views. Respect is something else entirely.
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I think you are both saying the same things and semantics are simply getting in the way. Respect can have a dual meaning in the context of the statements as in it can modify what is being said, as well as the right to say it. I believe you both were speaking to the right to say something, not about what was being said.
I used to play a game in school with a couple of classmates in which we purposely set out to obfuscate out points until the very end of the statements while leaning into a vulgar or disrespect
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"Freedom of speech also means that you are to respect your fellow man's views"
NO IT FUCKING DOESN'T. Read the fucking constitution, from the goddamned Declaration of Independence all the way through the bill of rights. Freedom of speech is the GOVERNMENT being unable to silence our thoughts about the government or speaking our minds. Respect is earned, not inherently given.
And your views right now get absolutely NO respect from me with that sort of ignorance.
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It's not the views you have to respect, it's his ability to have views that you need to respect. You can disagree with anything he says or believes in, you just can't stop him from believing or saying them if he isn't infringing on any of your rights when doing so.
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Yes... and no!
Freedom of speech does means the ability to state your views (freely, without fear of punishment for holding or expressing those views).
Freedom of speech as it is implemented in the [USA's] constitution refers to the government's inability to restrict you from expressing you
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Freedom of speech also means that you are to respect your fellow man's views, regardless of how unpopular they are, for it may be your views next that become sanctioned. Freedom of speech is far more than Government vs us. IT is a principal that every man's voice deserves a chance to be heard.
No. you are only supposed to unconditionally respect their right to express their views. You are free to view their views with utter contempt, and you are also free to say so. Freedom of speech works both ways.