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Congress Moves To Preserve AM Radio in Cars (axios.com) 260

A bipartisan group of lawmakers wants to make it illegal for carmakers to eliminate AM radio from their cars, arguing public safety is at risk. From the report: AM radio is one key way that government officials communicate with the public during natural disasters and other emergencies. Officials worry that if drivers don't have access, they might miss important safety alerts. Some manufacturers are eliminating AM radio from their electric vehicles (EVs) because of interference from the electric motors that creates annoying buzzing noises and faded signals.

They argue that car owners can still access AM radio content through digital streaming packages or smartphone apps (though such services sometimes require a subscription). While AM might seem like a relic of the past, nearly 50 million people still listen to it, according to Nielsen figures provided by the National Association of Broadcasters. The proposed legislation, to be introduced today by Senators Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.), Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) and others, would require all new vehicles to include AM radio at no additional charge. In the case of EV models that have already eliminated AM radio (from BMW, Ford, Mazda, Polestar, Rivian, Tesla, Volkswagen and Volvo), carmakers would be required to disclose the lack of AM access to consumers. The law would also direct the Government Accountability Office to study whether alternative communication systems are as effective in reaching the public during emergencies.
Further reading: Saving AM Radio - the Case For and Against.
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Congress Moves To Preserve AM Radio in Cars

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  • Brilliant Logic! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by kaatochacha ( 651922 ) on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @01:21PM (#63529399)
    "They argue that car owners can still access AM radio content through digital streaming packages or smartphone apps"
    Which, of course, will be the first things to fail in an emergency.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by dgatwood ( 11270 )

      Not just an emergency. This is the one thing I absolutely hate about my Tesla. As soon as you get up into any mountainous area, FM and XM are problematic because of multipath interference and bleed from adjacent channels on opposite sides of the mountains, and cell service is nonexistent for ten minutes at a time. But AM radio works fine.

      Can Congress please make this retroactive and force Tesla to recall all of these radios?

      • Re:Brilliant Logic! (Score:4, Informative)

        by Loki_1929 ( 550940 ) on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @02:03PM (#63529627) Journal

        This is absurd. You want the US Federal government mandating convenience features in products?

        If a product doesn't meet your needs, DON'T BUY IT.
        If enough people agree, the product will either add features to meet the need or a competing product will eat their lunch.

        Government mandates increase costs for everyone and are typically about the least effective way to manage a market. If you really want a government that manages every aspect of every product you buy, try China. Of course, like other authoritarian governments, China's is rife with corruption, so I'd stay away from the baby formula.

        • This is absurd. You want the US Federal government mandating convenience features in products?

          I don't want government mandating ANYTHING for cars, but as long as they're going to do it, this is a pretty good one to do, especially when the reasons for cutting them that Ford, BMW, et al are stating is utter horseshit.

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            Could you not just keep an AM radio in the car somewhere? Plug it into the AUX socket or use a Bluetooth adapter.

            I know it's a bit jank but the alternative is every car has to have an AM antenna, which adds cost and forces certain design choices that are less than optimal.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by Train0987 ( 1059246 )

          Access to reliable public information during times of emergency is frequently a matter of life and death, not just a convenience.

        • Re:Brilliant Logic! (Score:4, Informative)

          by Miamicanes ( 730264 ) on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @08:23PM (#63530989)

          The problem is, over the past 20 years, automakers have MASSIVELY raised the bar for installing an aftermarket audio system.

          20 years ago, it was easy. Your car had a DIN or Double-DIN opening in the dash. It probably came from the factory with a shit head unit, but you could yank it out & replace it with a better one with minimal ceremony. Worst-case, it was an American car with larger opening and holes in weird places, so you had to buy a mounting bracket & bezel filler. Yeah, adding things like more/better speakers, an amp, and a subwoofer complicated things a bit, but the car itself didn't actually *depend* upon anything being in that hole to work.

          15 years ago, automakers like Ford started deliberately putting radios in cars that had non-DIN openings, where you couldn't replace the factory head unit without MAJOR (read: expensive) surgery. Then, other American automakers quickly jumped on the bandwagon, and started moving basic functionality INTO the head unit (or at least, using the head unit as the primary UI for interacting with the ECM, and providing no good alternative way to interact with it). Bluetooth and Android gave a tiny bit of breathing room insofar as content went (by ~2012, my phone became my de-facto content source in the car), but the days of things like relatively straightforward audio system upgrades were effectively over.

          From what I've read, in theory there's now a semi-de-facto non-standard for allowing Android-based aftermarket head units to (sort of) act as the front end UI for the car's ECU... but it's pretty much a nightmare to configure, and almost never actually works properly in real life. Maybe, if you're lucky, sometime around year 3 or 4 and multiple firmware updates, it might "sort of" work. Assuming the Android Auto head unit's manufacturer didn't just abandon it 3 months after it hit the market, which is far more likely.

          In an ideal universe, you'd be able to get a new car with a good touchscreen and some well-appointed rotary sensors & buttons, with a HDMI cable leading to a spot in the trunk where you could mount any thirdparty system you liked & have it just take over the screen & buttons (as HID). In reality, automakers will never, ever allow that. I mean, fuck, they even got Google to pull out all the stops and do everything they possibly can to prevent "unblessed" apps from even being able to USE the display in a car running Android Auto. The same automakers who are borderline-neurotic about preventing anything "naughty" from ending up on the LCD (at least, while the car is in motion) nevertheless see nothing ironic about making you control the goddamn windshield wipers and seat temperature using that same fucking touchscreen, because they couldn't bear to spend $3 on a $70,000 SUV giving things like that a proper tactile switch-based control UI. Yeah... they'll make you pull over to use Waze, but see nothing wrong with requiring navigating 3 levels deep into a menu to change the goddamn wiper speed.

      • Re:Brilliant Logic! (Score:5, Informative)

        by MacMann ( 7518492 ) on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @02:04PM (#63529629)

        I'm sure Tesla will issue an over-the-air software update to resolve the issue of no AM reception in their cars.

        (Just in case anyone is taking that seriously, I mean that as a joke.)

        What people mean by "AM radio" is perhaps better described as "MW radio". The term "MW radio" is not often used in the USA but appears to be a term used in other English speaking nations to describe broadcast radio in the 530 to 1700 kHz band, with perhaps some variation around that in other nations. Transmissions in this MW, or "medium wave", radio band travel well but didn't have a lot of room for anything but amplitude modulation with limited fidelity. Since then we developed digital modulation that can improve fidelity and/or noise rejection without need for added bandwidth. We still have to live within the laws of physics so there's going to be a compromise on power, fidelity, and noise regardless but we can easily reject the kind of annoying buzz that comes over AM receivers from nearby electric motors.

        Is is AM radio we want to save? Or is is MW radio? It seems to me that the complaint is more about preserving the long range of MW broadcasting than preserve the amplitude modulation that tends to give this frequency band a bad reputation.

        • by Ksevio ( 865461 )

          It's mixed. There's pretty much no chance the frequency band would be swapped away from AM because it can travel so far and be audible, there are still a whole lot of receivers that are designed for it and can pick it up so changing it to something digital would require all new hardware.

          Politically it's also a tough move since AM is pretty much entirely religious talk shows and right-wing nutjob talk shows, so obviously the Republicans won't want to anger their base

        • by kriston ( 7886 )

          In the US we have HDRadio on medium wave (what we call AM Radio here).

          It's fallen out of favor because after sunset the signal drifts so much the HDRadio doesn't work well.

          Also, the 20-second delay makes HDRadio useless when listening to live sporting events so they TURN IT OFF.

          HDRadio on AM is a cluster f***.

      • Re:Brilliant Logic! (Score:5, Informative)

        by kriston ( 7886 ) on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @02:49PM (#63529857) Homepage Journal

        XM doesn't suffer from multipath interference. It's built into the COFDM modulation of their terrestrial repeaters.

        If you're having trouble with XM is because a mountain is blocking the signal, not from multipath.

    • Re:Brilliant Logic! (Score:4, Interesting)

      by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @02:17PM (#63529685)

      Which is fine, because cars are not an emergency response tool. Government agencies recommend you store food, water, flashlights, and an battery powered portable AM radio. They don't recommend you shout to your family "road trip" and go run to your car for shits and giggles.

      Information and communication is virtually free. You don't need to reach every person. You just need to reach people in groups, and across communications media you will reach groups one way or another and even that poor Tesla driver won't remain oblivious to the impeding doom.

      • Which is fine, because cars are not an emergency response tool. Government agencies recommend you store food, water, flashlights, and an battery powered portable AM radio. They don't recommend you shout to your family "road trip" and go run to your car for shits and giggles.

        Well....emergencies can happen while you are out on the road.

        I don't think you are in the US, but do remember, that the average trip length here in the US is generally MUCH further than one in EU.

        We're a big country and a quick trip t

      • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

        You could even bring that portable AM radio along with you in the car.

      • In America, there are plenty of roadsigns that say, "For emergency information, tune to radio station XXXX." Since they are road signs, presumably they are aimed at people in cars.
    • Re:Brilliant Logic! (Score:5, Interesting)

      by ddtmm ( 549094 ) on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @02:17PM (#63529687)
      If I had my way I would mandate that all cellphones have AM and FM reception capability. Of course Apple and the others would never agree to consumers' access to free content, but at least it would still truly work in the event of an emergency. Not everyone has a car but pretty much everyone has a cellphone.
      • A lot of smartphone chips have had FM support for years, but they don't usually enable it because they don't care, and because you'll normally need to plug normal wired headphones in for an antenna.

        I think AM can't be put into normal cell phones because there isn't enough room for the shielding and antennas that would be needed.

    • How many natural disasters did you suffer through and AM radio provided vital information?

  • by brunes69 ( 86786 ) <[slashdot] [at] [keirstead.org]> on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @01:23PM (#63529407)

    "If it is missing, people will miss important safety alerts"

    This argument makes no sense whatsoever. There are exactly three things people can be doing in the car

    - Listening to FM Radio
    - Listening to AM Radio
    - Listening to either nothing, or something that is neither option

    If AM radio goes away, then people *HAVE TO* move into one of the other two camps. They are either going to listen to FM, or listen to something else that has no emergency broadcasts anyway, or listen to nothing at all.

    If AM radio is gone, and the emergency broadcast happens on FM radio, you are reaching the exact same people.

    • by Nrrqshrr ( 1879148 ) on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @01:34PM (#63529457)

      The thing about AM radio is it's range and availability. You can be in the middle of the country and pick up nothing on the FM, but the AM radio will still have signal.
      Which is the EXACT thing you want for an emergency system.

      • by brunes69 ( 86786 )

        None of that matters when no one is listening to it in order to hear said emergency alert.

        • None of that matters when no one is listening to it in order to hear said emergency alert.

          Which is why all states have occasional signs on their highways and Interstates giving you the AM channel for "Travel and Emergency Information". I drive past one on I65 five days a week.

      • by brunes69 ( 86786 )

        This is not an emergency radio in your 48 hour backpack.

        It is your car.

        The argument the congress critters are making is that people will miss emergency alerts during their daily commute. My point is that argument is nonsense.

        • Depends on where their daily commute takes place. At one point in my life I was driving away from a major city 30+ miles daily in the morning. I would know where along the drive certain FM stations would drop off. AM stations were always picked up. The round trip was over 60 miles but since I was already on the edge of the city, there was little traffic. Not everyone works in a major city.
      • Indeed you want a battery powered portable AM radio for your emergency system, which is precisely what every government agency recommends people have in their emergency kit. Precisely no one says, "in an emergency run to your car". They do say if you're stuck in a blizzard don't get out of the car, but that's precisely where car related emergency response starts and finishes.

    • The only reason to keep AM radio is that it has insane range. When I am driving at night in Canada and there are no FM stations available, I can still get AM radio -- from America. It is all insane, right-wing, talk radio but at least I have something to keep me awake.

      So I can see AM radio being useful for connecting to people living off-grid and in the middle of nowhere. But I see no need to ensure AM radio works with modern electric vehicles. All the required extra shielding will just add to the pr

      • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

        The reason you get AM radio from the US is because most of our AM stations shut down a long time ago. The ones that are left are generally in cities where a radio station that does nothing but talk about hockey is commercially viable, and/or are low power.

    • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

      If AM radio is gone, and the emergency broadcast happens on FM radio, you are reaching the exact same people.

      You're assuming that this is about commercial radio. It isn't. Remember all of those signs that light up and say "Tune radio to AM 640 for traffic information" or whatever? If AM radio is gone, the various government departments of transportation have to spend money to replace all of their AM transmitters with FM transmitters, and in all likelihood have to add more of them to achieve the necessary coverage. They also have to find an empty spot in the already heavily cluttered FM band for doing so, and b

      • I thought traffic news was only interesting in built-up areas, which have FM and DAB (at least around here) anyway. We donâ(TM)t need to tune to a special frequency anyway: e we just push the RDS button on the radio to enable traffic news to interrupt the current broadcast and then switch back when itâ(TM)s done.

      • If AM radio is gone, and the emergency broadcast happens on FM radio, you are reaching the exact same people.

        You're assuming that this is about commercial radio. It isn't. Remember all of those signs that light up and say "Tune radio to AM 640 for traffic information" or whatever?

        Does anybody ever actually do that? Every time I try tuning in to one of those, the information I get is useless.

        and, for emergency alerts, how many people who have cars don't have cell phones?

        • and, for emergency alerts, how many people who have cars don't have cell phones?

          I can tell you from experience, that in a large, widespread emergency, cell phone towers are often the first casualty.

          Hell, after Hurricane Katrina...If you had a 504 number, you could not receive a call from anywhere in the US you had evacuated to...you could after awhile, however, receive texts.

          That was when I learned how to text.

          But even recently...hurricane IDA...lots of towers down and even those not damaged, out of pow

    • But your arguments assumes every listener has equal access to all three. Anyone that lives in a rural or remote area (as I have) would tell you that fewer FM stations will reach them. As for "other" I assume you mean satellite which has the widest range but is more susceptible to weather and is not free. In an emergency situation, should people whip out their credit cards to get Sirius XM?
      • by brunes69 ( 86786 )

        By "Other" I mean they are likely listening to music on an SD card or their phone.

        The point is this - if people are not listening to the AM radio *NOW, TODAY*, then claiming you need to keep it for emergency broadcasts is just stupid - because the people would not hear said broadcasts anyway.

        • I do not about you but in an emergency situation, I stop listening to music stored on my phone to get information that would help my survival. The point you seem to miss is that AM is one of the carriers that the US government has mandated to broadcast emergency notifications. If someone chooses not to listen to AM all day does not mean they will NEVER listen to AM when there is a need.
    • "If it is missing, people will miss important safety alerts"

      This argument makes no sense whatsoever.

      Exactly!

      Hardly anybody listens to AM radio now-- that's why they're considering leaving it out of new cars.

      IPeople who aren't listening to AM radio will miss safety alerts regardless of whether their car does or does not have the capability that they're not using.

    • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

      If you are in an area with flat terrain like most of the midwest east of Denver the difference wouldn't be large, but west of Denver it could make a huge difference.

    • Lol, did you even read what you wrote?

      There are exactly three things.....proceeds to list 4, and the 4th has a large number of options hidden in it.

      I haven't listened to the radio in decades. I've got a USB stick loaded with a constantly shifting stockpile of my favorite albums. Dozens and dozens of them.

      There's zero way I'd know that there was a government broadcast going on. I wouldn't know where to look to find one. I probably wouldn't even think to change the mode of the car audio to look.

      But I'm an odd

  • by pecosdave ( 536896 ) on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @01:33PM (#63529449) Homepage Journal

    What you do not get through a streaming app, what no one wants to budget for, what government services truly come from:

    Low power local am stations.

    There are automated emergency service stations all over the damned place. If you drive into a small town in Texas you're likely to see a sign that says "local info and emergency services tune to 1620 am".

    These are NOT going to be streaming, and they're only going to matter in that little local bubble.

    It's not uncommon for these station to broadcast the local high school football game, city counsel meetings, info on where celebrations, that sort of thing is happening then suddenly becoming the tornado location update channel when needed.

    Saying "just stream it" is intentional ignorance to dodge another issue.

    • by Tailhook ( 98486 ) on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @02:01PM (#63529613)

      Saying "just stream it" is intentional ignorance to dodge another issue.

      Indeed. And the "issue" being dodged is designing EVs with the necessary EMI/RFI work and costs to not shit up the radio spectrum with a bunch of broadband hash. Instead, lets just sacrifice the entire LW, MW, HF and probably the lower end of VHF (stopping somewhere short of FM radio... maybe) to electric vehicles.

      The FCC should be jumping up and down on EV manufacturer nuts, except that the FCC is mostly a bunch of lawyers that aren't even cognizant of their actual reason for existence, and EVs are the climate saving golden boy magically exempt from any government friction.

  • So just include a portable, wind up rechargeable, am radio in the glovebox of each new car and we're set. Might even be nice if it had an LED flashlight on it.

    • So just include a portable, wind up rechargeable, am radio in the glovebox of each new car and we're set

      Yes we want drivers removing their hands from the wheel to crank a radio periodically to listen to AM radio.

  • A Simple Solution (Score:4, Informative)

    by nickovs ( 115935 ) on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @01:39PM (#63529489)

    One of the great things about AM radios is that, compared to all of the alternatives, they are very simple circuits. You can build a quite decent AM radio using two transistors, an inductor, four or five resistors and capacitors, speaker and a potentiometer for tuning. Transmitters are not hugely more complex. While I'm not prepping for the zombie apocalypse, the fact that I could build one for myself and my neighbours if I needed to is somewhat reassuring.

    Even if you go all fancy and digital, modern car FM radios are Software Defined Radios under the hood, so supporting this mandate is basically a software change and making sure that the analogue filters before the ADC will pass low enough frequencies. Car makers have nothing to moan about.

  • Do all cars have radios at present? Mine has one but I've never turned it on.

    • I am sure most cars have them as standard when they were built. Whether it still functions in specific cars is another question.
  • TL;DR - there are several other far superior methods for emergency alerts that reach vastly more people. This is a stupid waste of time by politicians who want to pretend they're "doing something".

    A quick google finds nab.org listing 80m AM listeners per month but even Facebook has 264m (US + CA) *and* the ability to notify/alert people who aren't actively using the app (for most people at least). Never mind the 307m smartphone users in the US covering ~85% of the population all of which have multiple eme

    • A quick google finds nab.org listing 80m AM listeners per month but even Facebook has 264m (US + CA)

      Umm not everyone uses Facebook and the US government has for decades, plans for how emergency broadcasts are handled in AM radio.

      Never mind the 307m smartphone users in the US covering ~85% of the population all of which have multiple emergency alert methods including the can't-be-silenced presidential alerts.

      Cellular connections are not always available everywhere. Driving on any rural road away from a major highway and cell signals drop off dramatically.

      Obvious, but obviously overlooked by congress, is the fact that AM Radio alerts only work if you're also actively listening to AM Radio.

      Have you overlooked that AM radios are standard in cars and that all it takes to listen to an AM broadcast is to turn on the radio? For free. Have you overlooked using a smart phone requires much more? I was driving in central Oregon

  • by CmdrPorno ( 115048 ) on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @01:45PM (#63529525)

    That makes about as much sense.

  • If only there was some alternate method of delivering important emergency broadcasts, say something that people could carry in their pocket and had widespread coverage that could even be supplemented with satellite signals.
  • What happened when they removed antennae from TVs? Seriously question. Isn't this a similar situation?
  • (DIGITAL RADIO MONDIALE) is a standard for Digital Radio that covers both the AM and FM band, has multipathing in mind, better sound quality, and built in FEC. By virtue of being digital is less suceptible to the mnoice introduced by EV motors and Power inverters.

    Its approval in the region 2 (most of the western hemisphere) is pending treaty ratifications. Honestly I do not know which country(es) is/are holding it (maybe it is my country holding it up, again, I do not know). It would be nice if it was fina

  • Disregard the emergency response plans published by virtually every state that say you should have a portable battery powered AM radio for use in emergencies. And that's before you mention that radios themselves aren't disappearing and governments literally already require every form of broadcast to be capable of transmitting emergency information, including satellite radio (which runs a free channel for this purpose).

    Go solve some serious problems.

  • If your first thought in a fucking nuclear holocaust is to check if the AM stations are still up then you might as well duck and cover.
  • One of our centenarian congress critters recently bought a car that didn't spin his favorite phonographs. So we have this now.
  • A good battery + hand-crank-backup AM radio can be had for under $20 retail (S&H included). At wholesale, that's can't be more than $10.

    So if everyone really needs it for emergency purposes, mandate that each automaker put one in the glovebox. For an extra couple bugs they can make some automaker branded pouch for it, throw in some emergency water purification tablets and add the ability to charge to USB from the crank. That has the added benefit of being able to operate the radio even the car is comple

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